Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 04:30:10 PST From: Advanced Amateur Radio Networking Group Errors-To: TCP-Group-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: TCP-Group@UCSD.Edu Precedence: List Subject: TCP-Group Digest V94 #247 To: tcp-group-digest TCP-Group Digest Thu, 3 Nov 94 Volume 94 : Issue 247 Today's Topics: charter If they're gonna sell frequencies, what about these? (2 msgs) N6GN/N6RCE 10GHz Link tapr dcd mod Young Amateurs (was: If you're gonna sell frequencies.... (2 msgs) Send Replies or notes for publication to: . Subscription requests to . Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the TCP-Group Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:12:14 -0800 From: brian@nothing.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) Subject: charter Gents and Ladies, The TCP-GROUP mailing list and digest are a discussion area for people actively engaged in the advancement of amateur digital radio, with a special emphasis on the Internet suite of protocols. - Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 94 11:10:24 -0600 From: k5yfw@sacdm10.kelly.af.mil (WALT DUBOSE - K5YFW) Subject: If they're gonna sell frequencies, what about these? Brandon, I *did not* take it personally and I knew your were speaking of others...not me. I was speaking about me being old with my tonge-in-cheek...but that doesn't come across well on the screen. I am over 50 and have been a ham since high school. In San Antonio (I'm gonna brag) we got some *old* (in years and in ham radio) who support youth ham education...but we have thee block of "old farts" (some no so old in years or in ham radio) who act as you describe...that's just part of the makeup of our hobby(?). 73, Walt (dbs k5yfw) In your message of 1 Nov 1994 at 1239 EST, you write: > In your message of Tue, 01 Nov 1994 09:37:49 CST, you write: > +--------------- > | > are doing more for the hobby than the old fools grousing on 75 meters... or > , > | > for that matter, 2 meters. They're the ones driving the push > | > | And quit talking about me and my 75 and 40 SSB operation (Ok > | so I'm old) and my 2m operation on 145.5 MHz (the local > | satellite users and FAXers frequency). > +------------->8 > > Sorry; I didn't make it clear enough that I was speaking of the LOCAL (that > is, NE Ohio) hamcommunity. Around here, it often seems that if you aren't a > contester (CW preferred) you're a turd, and the majority of local hams will > treat you as such. There are exceptions (LEARA's officers go out of their way > to welcome and encourage young hams), but e.g. the Lake County club has > degenerated into a retirement community and is increasingly putting its > efforts into (a) contesting and (b) getting more *retirees* into ham radio. > Most notable was when a recommendation to the board of directors to supply ham > radio books to the local schools was transmuted by a block vote of the older > hams into a donation to local libraries, EXPLICITLY STATED AS BEING TARGETED > TOWARD OLDER PEOPLE. They didn't care about the schools and one of them even > tried to get school libraries *dropped* from the proposal! > > Maybe people are beginning to get the idea of why these subjects are hot > buttons with me. I dearly hope that what I'm seeing locally isn't reflected > in the national amateur radio scheme, because if it is then Fred is right: > all that's left for ham radio is to take away thge frequencies; it's already > dead. > > As for AmPRnet users in my area: mostly Tech/TechPlus. I'm very unusual for > the local area as an Advanced licensee on the TCP/IP net. I thought that was > clear in my comment. > > ++Brandon > -- > Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH [44.70.4.88] bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org > Linux development: iBCS2, JNOS, MH ~\U > Hatred is NOT a family value. Earth to Rothenberg, come in.... > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:21:44 -0500 From: rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Rick Spanbauer) Subject: If they're gonna sell frequencies, what about these? Fred's commentary about making some room for the commercial wireless industry makes a lot of sense to me. I am currently involved in "for hire" side adventure involving (wired) RF, high data rate modems, etc that has brought the need to do reading in the area. I stake no claims to have exhaustively studied all the research literature in the area but it does seem to me that it boggles the mind that we would even suppose it is possible to keep pace with the commercial and academic groups working on RF networking. What is takes to make high data rate RF modem gear affordable to the consumer is custom vlsi, expertise, and lots of money. More money than our market, with so few consumers, can ever generate. Take a look at the Berkeley Info Pad project for a snapshot of what is possible with proper resources - they are working on a 60 mcps spread spectrum radio on-a-chip that subsamples RF at 900 mHz (no IF)! That sort of work *is* what the government should be encouraging. It seems to me that we should be looking for some consideration in trade for access to spectrum, rather than mounting what (IMO) will be a losing battle to defend it. One possible consideration might be to further ease acceptable traffic regulations for UHF/microwave service, thereby making the ham radio potentially more attractive to the masses, ie "If I get my license, I can get Usenet news and BBS downloads faster than over the telephone?", or "I can connect to school/work over ham radio?!". We might also ask to ease SS regulations while we're at it, so that when commercial gear becomes available, we can use it legally. We might even seek to accommodate the (possibly displaced) wireless spread spectrum industry in exchange for technology or access to networks. Thanks for reading this! Rick Spanbauer WB2CFV ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 19:14:52 -0500 From: Matt Reynolds Subject: N6GN/N6RCE 10GHz Link Hello! Has anyone had any experience with this system, a 2Mbits/sec microwave link described in the ARRL handbook? Are PC-boards for the preamplifier, modulator, and demodulator commercially available? Thanks, Matt, KB2ACE MIT Radio Society Cambridge, MA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:07:21 -0600 (CST) From: abernat Subject: tapr dcd mod Where can I obtain the tapr dcd mode for my pk-88 ? Tnx, kd5lu@kd5lu.ampr.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 94 12:56 EST From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Subject: Young Amateurs (was: If you're gonna sell frequencies.... Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 20:19:18 -0700 (MST) From: Tim Baggett Even SHOW a recent college grad a vacuum tube and they'll look puzzled. Just tell him it's a bipolar power FET. With a heater. :) -- -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 15:43:54 -0600 (CST) From: Gerald J Creager Subject: Young Amateurs (was: If you're gonna sell frequencies.... Russell Nelson sez: > > Even SHOW a recent college grad a vacuum tube and they'll look puzzled. > > Just tell him it's a bipolar power FET. > > With a heater. :) I thought that was a "GlaS-FET"... gerry ------------------------------ End of TCP-Group Digest V94 #247 ******************************